Eliyahu http://jta.org/user/profile/8691 en-us marcus@infolink.com.br Copyright 2009 2009-11-22T;22:02:00-05:00 I forgot to point out that even the AIPAC delegates to the meeting were Obama's pals from way back. I thank Kampeas for reporting that fact. 2009-11-22T;22:02:00-05:00 This was a disgraceful performance by mainly self-appointed leaders. They show hutspah by calling themselves Jews, let alone leaders. Now, Obama made life easy for himself by only inviting those who already supported him, maybe the Orthodox Union was an exception but too intimidated to challenge his horrid anti-Israel policies. Among those invited were J Street, an anti-Israel outfit financed by George Soros who in fact collaborated with the Nazis during the Holocaust by his own admission. J Street is not a grass roots group, nor really Jewish. Americans for Peace Now is also an anti-Israel group which is tightly connected to the Washington Establishment. One of its directors was Sandy Berger, the disgraced national security advisor for Pres. Clinton. The other groups, which may be more representative [but not good representatives], should not have agreed to come in the company of J Street and Americans for Peace Now, which are non-representative and basically Washington Establishment bodies. Meanwhile, the ZOA and Young Israel groups were excluded. Obviously, Obama likes yes-men and doesn't want to hear criticism, however merited. Kampeas' description of the meeting reminds me of how Rabbi Stephen Wise toadied to Franklin Roosevelt during world war II while FDR did nothing to prevent or save Jews from the Holocaust. 2009-11-22T;22:02:00-05:00 Biden & Obama are close to Britain which refused to bomb the death camps although their bombers flew nearby. FDR did little to help the Jews too. What does Biden say about that? 2009-11-22T;22:02:00-05:00 A number of factual errors appear in Shapira's discourse. 1- there never was a "palestinian nation" or "palestinian people" in all history. The PLO does not claim that "palestinians" are a separate or distinct people or nation. Rather, the PLO claims in its charter [Article One] that "the palestinian people is part of the Arab nation" and the "Palestine is part of the Great Arab Fatherland [watan]." The "palestinian people" notion is a psychological warfare invention meant to undermine Israel in world public opinion. At the time of Israel's War of Independence, the Palestinian Arabs claimed that the country was part of Syria and they wanted to join that state. Arab spokesmen at the 1946 Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry testified that there was no "Palestine" in history, it was all Syria. 2-- Giv`at Shaul was always a Jewish neighborhood. Much of Deir Yassin was located where Har Nof is now. 3- Arab irregular and regular troops [including Iraqis] had made the village into a strongpoint in the siege of Jerusalem, shooting from Deir Yassin onto presumed Jewish traffic on the road below. 4-- There was no massacre there. However, civilians were killed [about 110, not the usual figure of 250] because they were in houses together with Arab troops and died in the battle when houses used as firing positions were attacked. The historian Uri Milstein has written a recent book on what happened at Deir Yassin [in Hebrew]. You could also read Menahem Begin's account of what happened in his book The Revolt. The story of a Deir Yassin massacre/atrocity is a smear job and blood libel against Israel. 2009-11-22T;22:02:00-05:00 nowadays "human rights" is just another pretense for making propaganda. So "palestinian human rights center" ought to be "palestinian propaganda center" that --as someone observed above-- does not acknowledge the human rights of Jews. This "human rights" outfit should not be believed because of its propagandistic nature. Isn't the JTA aware of Pallywood? Of the intense propaganda activity of both Hamas and Fatah? The Israeli army listed the fatalities in Gaza by NAME. They were overwhelmingly male terrorists. By the way, the Hamas-run police force are also armed men and are part of the Hamas' forces, often taking part in terrorist attacks, just as the palestinian authority police [Fatah] do. miriam ought to read the Hamas Charter and note its Nazi-like character. It openly advocates the genocide of Jews, particularly in Article 7. by the way, mimi, the population in Gaza gets plenty of food delivered regularly. They are not starving unless the Hamas appropriates the food for its own purposes. Furhtermore, mimi, what about the human rights of Gilad Shalit, an Israeli soldier being held by Hamas which is not allowing the Red Cross access to him. This is a violation of internatrional law. Why don't you take that up with all your friends who are so concerned about "international law" when it serves the Hamas?? Or can be falsel y interpreted to serve the Hamas. 2009-11-22T;22:02:00-05:00 this Anderson deserves no sympathy. He consciously sides with making it easier for Arab terrorists to murder Jews. These ISM characters and some local Arabs regularly riot to try to prevent building of the security fence near this location. Friday afternoon is their usual time for rioting. 2009-11-22T;22:02:00-05:00 ZOA is right. Ackerman's claims were ignorant at best. Why doesn't he complain to the Obama White House about their collaboration in the upcoming Durban II anti-Jewish hate fest?? 2009-11-22T;22:02:00-05:00 Heilman divides Jerusalem's Jewish population into Orthodox and secular. However, the National Religious Jews mainly voted for Barkat who was supported by their leadership. We here draw different distinctions than Heilman does. Orthodox should mean both Haredi [like Meir Porush] but also National Religious. 2009-11-22T;22:02:00-05:00